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Originally posted by Battleskar

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Originally posted by Fishermage

We also have to look at what the two companies have done. Smed is still right where he is. Ward of LA, the guy that Smed claimed had a lot to do with the NGE, one interview where he was shifting blame, is GONE. Julio was pulled off the project and placed in a place more similar to his last success -- a console, jedi-based game. Immediately upon taking over the project of the Force Unleashed, the date was pushed back, showing PERHAPS he has learned from SOME of the past mistakes.
We'll see how good or bad the Force Unleashed is -- that's HIS chance at redemption.
Once again, note that Smed is still RIGHT where he is, shifting blame as always. Now Blix and company continue to erase players' efforts every few patches, and Blixtev tells them to get over it and deal.
Meanwhile it appears that LA has gone and made a new deal with a more trustworthy company for the next go around, a good move I'd say. I hope, as does almost everyone here, that we get a great game out of it.
Once company has made actual CHANGES in the way they do things, including letting go the man in charge. They have evidently made steps to ensure it won't happen again.
The other has made a weak, nebulous apology and changed nothing in their behavior.

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Bioware made 1 good game Kotor,the 2nd game was not as good as the 1st,Bioware has yet to make a mmorpg to my knowlage so its yet to be said if they are a trustworthy company or not. I have not met many trustworthy corp. of any sort they are in it for themselves in most cases.Even Blizzard has shown already that they cannot betrusted that much either,they already have to largest mmo in History and all they ever add is More Rep,More Dungeons lol. It is still early on what this Bioware game will be like as well,which will most likly be Cartoony and WoW like since the new movie and future TV series is Cartoony.I agree with you on the Force Unleashed this will be very interesting to see how it turns out,but keep in mind a console game is nothing compared to a mmorpg so even if it turns out awesome it will be hard for me to give much credit to Julio.

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That was my point but I guess you completely missed that because nothing you wrote actually deals with what I wrote.

Not sure why you even brought up Blizzard.

Originally posted by Battleskar

Originally posted by Fishermage

We also have to look at what the two companies have done. Smed is still right where he is. Ward of LA, the guy that Smed claimed had a lot to do with the NGE, one interview where he was shifting blame, is GONE. Julio was pulled off the project and placed in a place more similar to his last success -- a console, jedi-based game. Immediately upon taking over the project of the Force Unleashed, the date was pushed back, showing PERHAPS he has learned from SOME of the past mistakes.

We'll see how good or bad the Force Unleashed is -- that's HIS chance at redemption.

Once again, note that Smed is still RIGHT where he is, shifting blame as always. Now Blix and company continue to erase players' efforts every few patches, and Blixtev tells them to get over it and deal.

Meanwhile it appears that LA has gone and made a new deal with a more trustworthy company for the next go around, a good move I'd say. I hope, as does almost everyone here, that we get a great game out of it.

Once company has made actual CHANGES in the way they do things, including letting go the man in charge. They have evidently made steps to ensure it won't happen again.

The other has made a weak, nebulous apology and changed nothing in their behavior.

 

Bioware made 1 good game Kotor,the 2nd game was not as good as the 1st,Bioware has yet to make a mmorpg to my knowlage so its yet to be said if they are a trustworthy company or not. I have not met many trustworthy corp. of any sort they are in it for themselves in most cases.Even Blizzard has shown already that they cannot betrusted that much either,they already have to largest mmo in History and all they ever add is More Rep,More Dungeons lol. It is still early on what this Bioware game will be like as well,which will most likly be Cartoony and WoW like since the new movie and future TV series is Cartoony.I agree with you on the Force Unleashed this will be very interesting to see how it turns out,but keep in mind a console game is nothing compared to a mmorpg so even if it turns out awesome it will be hard for me to give much credit to Julio.

BioWare has made several games that have been both commercially successful, and critically acclaimed.  BioWare made both Baldur's Gate games (an an expansion for each), Neverwinter Nights (and a few expansions), Jade Empire (it won several awards), KotOR, and Mass Effect.  So far, the folks at BioWare have yet to make promises that they haven't kept.  They have a strong record of making good games.

BioWare's MMO will likely kill SWG, even if LEC doesn't intend it to.

Originally posted by Battleskar

Originally posted by Fishermage

We also have to look at what the two companies have done. Smed is still right where he is. Ward of LA, the guy that Smed claimed had a lot to do with the NGE, one interview where he was shifting blame, is GONE. Julio was pulled off the project and placed in a place more similar to his last success -- a console, jedi-based game. Immediately upon taking over the project of the Force Unleashed, the date was pushed back, showing PERHAPS he has learned from SOME of the past mistakes.

We'll see how good or bad the Force Unleashed is -- that's HIS chance at redemption.

Once again, note that Smed is still RIGHT where he is, shifting blame as always. Now Blix and company continue to erase players' efforts every few patches, and Blixtev tells them to get over it and deal.

Meanwhile it appears that LA has gone and made a new deal with a more trustworthy company for the next go around, a good move I'd say. I hope, as does almost everyone here, that we get a great game out of it.

Once company has made actual CHANGES in the way they do things, including letting go the man in charge. They have evidently made steps to ensure it won't happen again.

The other has made a weak, nebulous apology and changed nothing in their behavior.

 

Bioware made 1 good game Kotor,the 2nd game was not as good as the 1st,Bioware has yet to make a mmorpg to my knowlage so its yet to be said if they are a trustworthy company or not. I have not met many trustworthy corp. of any sort they are in it for themselves in most cases.Even Blizzard has shown already that they cannot betrusted that much either,they already have to largest mmo in History and all they ever add is More Rep,More Dungeons lol. It is still early on what this Bioware game will be like as well,which will most likly be Cartoony and WoW like since the new movie and future TV series is Cartoony.I agree with you on the Force Unleashed this will be very interesting to see how it turns out,but keep in mind a console game is nothing compared to a mmorpg so even if it turns out awesome it will be hard for me to give much credit to Julio.

Your statement on Blizzard is probably why they have the "largest MMO in history".

Not that I thought WoW was a great game, I couldn't make it thru the 30 days that came with the box.  I guess I'm too old to play games with elves in them.  But, when I downloaded the patches, it was up to 2.something and downloaded in minutes.  SWG patches take longer than the game to download.  That's the amount of CHANGES that each gaming company brings to the table.  WoW adds CONTENT, levels, etc, via expansions.  SWG is constantly CHANGEING existing code.

WoW is at least "stable".  Players can go back to help a new player and do the exact same things they did before.  I tried to help new players in SWG and was constantly apoligising, saying "sorry, forgot they CHANGED that".

There is no consistancy in SWG.  What you have accomplished in the game may not be there tomorrow.  Blizzard has not made that mistake and the subs numbers, for each, show why consistancy is required.

Originally posted by Obee

Originally posted by Battleskar

Originally posted by Fishermage

We also have to look at what the two companies have done. Smed is still right where he is. Ward of LA, the guy that Smed claimed had a lot to do with the NGE, one interview where he was shifting blame, is GONE. Julio was pulled off the project and placed in a place more similar to his last success -- a console, jedi-based game. Immediately upon taking over the project of the Force Unleashed, the date was pushed back, showing PERHAPS he has learned from SOME of the past mistakes.

We'll see how good or bad the Force Unleashed is -- that's HIS chance at redemption.

Once again, note that Smed is still RIGHT where he is, shifting blame as always. Now Blix and company continue to erase players' efforts every few patches, and Blixtev tells them to get over it and deal.

Meanwhile it appears that LA has gone and made a new deal with a more trustworthy company for the next go around, a good move I'd say. I hope, as does almost everyone here, that we get a great game out of it.

Once company has made actual CHANGES in the way they do things, including letting go the man in charge. They have evidently made steps to ensure it won't happen again.

The other has made a weak, nebulous apology and changed nothing in their behavior.

 

Bioware made 1 good game Kotor,the 2nd game was not as good as the 1st,Bioware has yet to make a mmorpg to my knowlage so its yet to be said if they are a trustworthy company or not. I have not met many trustworthy corp. of any sort they are in it for themselves in most cases.Even Blizzard has shown already that they cannot betrusted that much either,they already have to largest mmo in History and all they ever add is More Rep,More Dungeons lol. It is still early on what this Bioware game will be like as well,which will most likly be Cartoony and WoW like since the new movie and future TV series is Cartoony.I agree with you on the Force Unleashed this will be very interesting to see how it turns out,but keep in mind a console game is nothing compared to a mmorpg so even if it turns out awesome it will be hard for me to give much credit to Julio.

 

BioWare has made several games that have been both commercially successful, and critically acclaimed.  BioWare made both Baldur's Gate games (an an expansion for each), Neverwinter Nights (and a few expansions), Jade Empire (it won several awards), KotOR, and Mass Effect.  So far, the folks at BioWare have yet to make promises that they haven't kept.  They have a strong record of making good games.

BioWare's MMO will likely kill SWG, even if LEC doesn't intend it to.

 

 

Making  a good Console game is one thing,making a good mmo is another. They may make a good game ,and I hope they do I am all for another good Star Wars mmo if they do it right. I know one thing it will not resemble the game I loved SWG pre-cu.

waiting on stargate worlds I would never go back

Roll back the SWG to day 1.. yes a complete roll back, not just to before the NGE, not just before CU.. back to day 1.. and give us everything back the exact way it was. Hand the game over to a decent team that will dedicate themselves to bug fixes (there were a ton of bugs on launch) and fixing some of the graphical problems/updating the graphics slightly to make things more smooth and blend better.. since it has been so long since our game was taken. And plan to implement a better city management process where the mayor could zone things as commercial,residential,industrial,public and etc.. creating roads and paved areas to make player citys look like true citys not just houses thrown together.

And YES if these things happened tommorrow I would sign back on tmr, I would create my rodian anew and I would pay them for this game every month for the rest of my life, guarenteed, whether I played or not.. out of sheer thankfullness that my favorite IP was being respected, loved, and made enjoyable again.

I'd love to go back, but they need to rollback the mechanics to pre-CU first.

Originally posted by Battleskar

Originally posted by Obee

Originally posted by Battleskar

Originally posted by Fishermage

We also have to look at what the two companies have done. Smed is still right where he is. Ward of LA, the guy that Smed claimed had a lot to do with the NGE, one interview where he was shifting blame, is GONE. Julio was pulled off the project and placed in a place more similar to his last success -- a console, jedi-based game. Immediately upon taking over the project of the Force Unleashed, the date was pushed back, showing PERHAPS he has learned from SOME of the past mistakes.

We'll see how good or bad the Force Unleashed is -- that's HIS chance at redemption.

Once again, note that Smed is still RIGHT where he is, shifting blame as always. Now Blix and company continue to erase players' efforts every few patches, and Blixtev tells them to get over it and deal.

Meanwhile it appears that LA has gone and made a new deal with a more trustworthy company for the next go around, a good move I'd say. I hope, as does almost everyone here, that we get a great game out of it.

Once company has made actual CHANGES in the way they do things, including letting go the man in charge. They have evidently made steps to ensure it won't happen again.

The other has made a weak, nebulous apology and changed nothing in their behavior.

 

Bioware made 1 good game Kotor,the 2nd game was not as good as the 1st,Bioware has yet to make a mmorpg to my knowlage so its yet to be said if they are a trustworthy company or not. I have not met many trustworthy corp. of any sort they are in it for themselves in most cases.Even Blizzard has shown already that they cannot betrusted that much either,they already have to largest mmo in History and all they ever add is More Rep,More Dungeons lol. It is still early on what this Bioware game will be like as well,which will most likly be Cartoony and WoW like since the new movie and future TV series is Cartoony.I agree with you on the Force Unleashed this will be very interesting to see how it turns out,but keep in mind a console game is nothing compared to a mmorpg so even if it turns out awesome it will be hard for me to give much credit to Julio.

 

BioWare has made several games that have been both commercially successful, and critically acclaimed.  BioWare made both Baldur's Gate games (an an expansion for each), Neverwinter Nights (and a few expansions), Jade Empire (it won several awards), KotOR, and Mass Effect.  So far, the folks at BioWare have yet to make promises that they haven't kept.  They have a strong record of making good games.

BioWare's MMO will likely kill SWG, even if LEC doesn't intend it to.

 

 

 

Making  a good Console game is one thing,making a good mmo is another. They may make a good game ,and I hope they do I am all for another good Star Wars mmo if they do it right. I know one thing it will not resemble the game I loved SWG pre-cu.

BioWare made the CRPG that revived the CRPG genre (Baldur's Gate), the sequel, and then Neverwinter Nights (which was initially more of a toolset than a game).  They have a very good track record as far as games (both PC and Console) go.  BioWare also hired several folks who had MMO experience (mainly former SWG devs, from before the game was completely screwed up) and moved the guy who was in charge of the first KotOR game to Austin to head up the MMO team.

Their MMO isn't going to be anything like pre-CU SWG.  It'l be much closer to the WoW treadmil model.  I personally don't have the outright hatred of the WoW model that several of the posters here do.  The main reason I don't like the current version of SWG isn't because it was changed to be more like WoW (the unethical manner in which it was done, and the fact that the folks at SOE are outright hostile towards their customers are the main reason I won't touch a product that SOE makes money from), but because it isn't any fun to play.  I honestly think EQ2 is the second best WoW knock off at the moment (LotRO is better), but I wouldn't reccomend any play it due to the afore mentioned lack of ethics and hostility from SOE.

I doubt BioWare's MMO will have the longevity that UO and SWG did for me, but from BioWare's previous track record, I expect I will enjoy it for the limited time I play it.  This all assumes they don't make any major development decisions that will make the game not worth my time (such as the implementation of Punkbuster in WAR, I won't intentionally install spyware on my computer, especially one as intrusive as Punkbuster).

Originally posted by Battleskar

Originally posted by Fishermage

We also have to look at what the two companies have done. Smed is still right where he is. Ward of LA, the guy that Smed claimed had a lot to do with the NGE, one interview where he was shifting blame, is GONE. Julio was pulled off the project and placed in a place more similar to his last success -- a console, jedi-based game. Immediately upon taking over the project of the Force Unleashed, the date was pushed back, showing PERHAPS he has learned from SOME of the past mistakes.

We'll see how good or bad the Force Unleashed is -- that's HIS chance at redemption.

Once again, note that Smed is still RIGHT where he is, shifting blame as always. Now Blix and company continue to erase players' efforts every few patches, and Blixtev tells them to get over it and deal.

Meanwhile it appears that LA has gone and made a new deal with a more trustworthy company for the next go around, a good move I'd say. I hope, as does almost everyone here, that we get a great game out of it.

Once company has made actual CHANGES in the way they do things, including letting go the man in charge. They have evidently made steps to ensure it won't happen again.

The other has made a weak, nebulous apology and changed nothing in their behavior.

 

Bioware made 1 good game Kotor,the 2nd game was not as good as the 1st,Bioware has yet to make a mmorpg to my knowlage so its yet to be said if they are a trustworthy company or not. I have not met many trustworthy corp. of any sort they are in it for themselves in most cases.Even Blizzard has shown already that they cannot betrusted that much either,they already have to largest mmo in History and all they ever add is More Rep,More Dungeons lol. It is still early on what this Bioware game will be like as well,which will most likly be Cartoony and WoW like since the new movie and future TV series is Cartoony.I agree with you on the Force Unleashed this will be very interesting to see how it turns out,but keep in mind a console game is nothing compared to a mmorpg so even if it turns out awesome it will be hard for me to give much credit to Julio.

I'm taking it that you're relatively new to PC gaming, since anyone playing PC games since the 90s knows Bioware has made a slew of good games over its history.

http://www.bioware.com/games/

PC game: Baldur's Gate (and related expansion) - This game's entrance in the late 90s was *huge*.  It put Bioware on the map as a good dev team.

PC game: Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn (and 2 related expansions)

PC game: Neverwinter Nights

PC / Console game: Jade Empire (mostly for consoles until recently)

PC / Console game: Mass Effect (mostly for consoles until recently)

These titles are the "big name" ones for Bioware.  Well liked, well reviewed.

They may have very little MMO experience, but so did Blizzard before WoW came out, and it currently is their *only* MMO experience.

Also, KotOR 2 was NOT done by Bioware.  It was done by Obsidian Entertainment

http://www.obsidianent.com/games.html#kotor2